[eu-gene] Solu-Hyperinstrument

[Filipe Jensen]

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-09/969931680.Zo.r.html


Not proof, but... ;)



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On Sep 5, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Lauri Gröhn <Lauri.grohn at synestesia.fi> wrote:

Semantics is more that just genetic alarm signals. LG

On Sep 5, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Rama Gottfried wrote:

Regardless of one's subjective positive or negative emotional responses in the evaluations of events, a basis for semantic meaning of sound may very well exist in the neural hard-wiring of survival mechanisms, developed over thousands of years to deal with a given environmental situation.  There are certain instinctual responses (e.g. surprise, directionality, etc.) which have potential semantic meaning (i.e. beware of being attacked), but these meanings could become associated with other things and loose their original meaning, but there will still be an instinctual response.  However, the actual symbol and meaning might change in the absence of the original environment.

Rama



On 5 Sep 2010, at 11:37 AM, Filipe Jensen wrote:

Agreed, but then you cannot prove that its animal conditioning. I cant prove the bird is having fun because of the music, but you cant prove the opposite


On Sep 5, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Lauri Gröhn <Lauri.grohn at synestesia.fi> wrote:

Basically one can't prove anything about the (possible) semantics of music by looking at animal behavior. LG

On Sep 5, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Filipe Jensen wrote:

Aren't you just interpreting it as animal condtitioning and that it is not having fun? how is your opinion different from those who say the animal is indeed having fun?

filipe

From: Lauri Gröhn <Lauri.grohn at synestesia.fi>
To: generative art <eu-gene at generative.net>
Sent: Sun, 5 September, 2010 15:23:53
Subject: Re: [eu-gene] Solu-Hyperinstrument

That's only animal conditioning and human interpretation. LG

On Sep 5, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Adrian Ward wrote:

> 
> A bird would only act like this because it is enjoying itself - such behaviour cannot be taught and it certainly isn't mimicry, since it has created this behaviour by modifying one of the few instinctual acts birds posses (bouncing heads). Also, the crest feathers are a dead give-away to it having fun - especially when it is applauded at the end.
> 
> 
> A.
> (avid birdkeeper)
> 
> 
> On 5 Sep 2010, at 14:40, Lauri Gröhn wrote:
> 
>> Paul:
>> "The cockatoo
>> is not just a machine that mimics external stimuli, it's rocking out,
>> it's having fun."
>> 
>> How do you know that it is "having fun"?
>> 
>> LG
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Paul Harrison wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Lauri Gröhn <Lauri.grohn at synestesia.fi> wrote:
>>>> Can't  see any semantics if "feeling the rytthm"., auditive mimicry onlyl.
>>>> LG
>>> 
>>> I don't believe you, I think you understand the Backstreet Boys just
>>> fine, they're just a bit low-brow for your tastes. Just move your
>>> body, get excited. It's all about being an animal with an internal
>>> state interacting with a physical environment. Meaty appendages in
>>> motion. It has meaning if you've got a body and a brain. The cockatoo
>>> is not just a machine that mimics external stimuli, it's rocking out,
>>> it's having fun.
>>> 
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>>> Paul Harrison
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